David Irving wasn't that brave after all, he,he,he,he,he,he,,,, good!!! Good for the Austrian Government.
'Holocaust denier' Irving pleads guilty in Austria (Filed: 20/02/2006)
David Irving, the British historian, has pleaded guilty to criminal charges of denying the Holocaust.
"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving told the court in Vienna, Austria. "In no way did I deny the killings of millions of people by the Nazis."

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"The Nazis did murder millions of Jews,"
said Irving,
who answered the court in fluent German.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/684666.html Last update - 20:22 20/02/2006
Irving gets three years
in jail for Holocaust denial
By Amiram Barket,
Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies
VIENNA -
Right-wing British historian David Irving
was convicted in Austria on Monday of denying
the Holocaust -
a crime in this country once run by the Nazis -
and was sentenced to three years in prison.
Irving, 67, who had pleaded guilty
and insisted during his one-day trial
that he had a change of heart and now
acknowledged the Nazis' World War II
slaughter of 6 million Jews,
had faced up to 10 years
behind bars for the offense.
Irving's lawyer immediately
announced he would appeal the sentence.
"I consider the verdict a little too stringent.
I would say it's a bit of a message trial,"
said the attorney, Elmar Kresbach.
Irving appeared shocked as
the sentence was read out.
Moments later,
an elderly man who identified himself
only as a family friend called out:
"Stay strong, David - stay strong,"
before he was escorted from the courtroom.
During the trial,
Irving conceded he erred in contending
there were no Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz.
Irving told reporters he now acknowledges
that the Nazis systematically slaughtered
Jews during World War II.
"History is like a constantly changing tree," he said as an eight-member jury and a panel of three judges prepared to hear charges that could put him behind bars for up to 10 years.
Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived at the court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books - "Hitler's War," which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.
"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving told the court, speaking in German. But he insisted he never wrote a book about the Holocaust, which he called "just a fragment of my area of interest."
"In no way did I deny the killings of millions of people by the Nazis," Irving testified. Earlier, he told journalists he considered it "ridiculous" that he was standing trial for remarks made 17 years ago.

"I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now," Irving said.
"The Nazis did murder millions of Jews,"
said Irving,
who answered the court in fluent German.
He has been in custody since his arrest in November on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis' extermination of 6 million Jews. The state attorney's office said the 1989 remarks were "a dangerous violation of freedom of speech."

A verdict was expected later Monday, with a conviction almost certain because of Irving's guilty plea.
In interviews with the British media ahead of the trial, Irving and his Austrian lawyer said they did not believe they would win the case. The lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, has claimed recently that Irving had changed his views back in 1992 after he uncovered a radio transmission containing a message to Adolf Eichmann about the extermination of a million Jews at the Treblinka death camp.
Prosecutor unimpressed
Irving's answers failed to impress state prosecutor Michael Klackl, who called Irving in his opening statement a falsifier of history who was dressed up as a martyr by right-wing extremists.
"The David Irving I heard today in the court was not the David Irving I got to know in preparing for this trial," Klackl told Reuters after the court adjourned for lunch.
"The court will have to decide whether Irving has made an honest confession or is merely engaged in tactics (to reduce his sentence)," he said.

Experts also cast doubt on the sincerity of these claims. Prof. Dina Porat, head of Tel Aviv University's Institute for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism and Racism, told Haaretz Sunday that Irving's purported repentence is motivated by his fear of a verdict that could amount to 10 years' imprisonment.
"It is not possible that Irving changed his mind in 1992 without saying anything about it in the course of the libel trial he initiated in 2000," Porat said.
Irving's trial comes amid new - and fierce - debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered violent protests worldwide.

Irving had tried to win his provisional release on $24,000 bail, but a Vienna court refused, saying it considered him a flight risk.

Irving was arrested November 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust.

Within two weeks of his arrest, Irving asserted through his lawyer that he had come to acknowledge the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers.

In the past, however, he has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and has been quoted as saying there was "not one shred of evidence" the Nazis carried out their "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.

Irving is the author of nearly 30 books, and has contended most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.
In 2000, Irving sued American Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt for libel in a British court, but lost. The presiding judge in that case, Charles Gray, wrote that Irving was "an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist."
Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the years.

In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax.
David Irving wasn't that brave after all, he,he,he,he,he,he,,,, good!!! Good ... Fallujah y N.York,el veh=EDculo cargado de mi vida se detuvo."

Segun mi entender, Irving se declara culpable de haber declarado la negaci=F3n del holocauto, lo que en caso afirmativo quiere ... inquisici=F3n religiosa. No se puede tener libertad de expresi=F3n en presencia de estas dos religiones: la musulmana i la hebrea.

No es la religi=F3n hebrea la que prohibe negar el holocausto. M=E1s all=E1 de lo que pensemos de esas leyes que castigan negar el holocausto, esas no son leyes religiosas, y ninguna religi=F3n prohibe negarlo.
Ya bastante malas son las religiones para que adem=E1s les echemos culpas de las leyes civiles.
Saludos,
VV
David Irving wasn't that brave after all, he,he,he,he,he,he,,,, good!!! Good ... Fallujah y N.York,el vehículo cargado de mi vida se detuvo."

Segun mi entender, Irving se declara culpable de haber declarado la negación del holocauto, lo que en caso afirmativo quiere ... inquisición religiosa. No se puede tener libertad de expresión en presencia de estas dos religiones: la musulmana i la hebrea.

No es la religión hebrea la que prohibe negar el holocausto. Más allá de lo que pensemos de esas leyes que castigan negar el holocausto, esas no son leyes religiosas, y ninguna religión prohibe negarlo.
Ya bastante malas son las religiones para que además les echemos culpas de las leyes civiles.
Saludos,
VV
Pienso que la distinción de VV está en su lugar y es importante recalcar la diferencia.
Pero no consigo liberarme de la comparación entre este tribunal y los de la Inquisición. En ambos casos juzgan a una persona, no por sus actos sino por la expresión de sus ideas, porque contradicen el dogma aceptado. Juan
PS: No se discute si el dogma es verdad o no. Eso está fuera de nuestra jurisdicción. Lo que sí se discute es el derecho de cada uno de poner al dogma en tela de juicio. Y este señor va en cana por creer que tenía dicho derecho.
¡Llevar esposado a un hombre de 68 años que nunca fué acusado de actos violentos! El complejo de culpa puede lllevar a los hombres - y en este caso a las naciones - a los mayores desatinos.
David Irving wasn't that brave after all, he,he,he,he,he,he,,,, good!!! Good for the Austrian Government. 'Holocaust denier' Irving pleads guilty in ... recordaré, que quiero llevar conmigo mientras viva.En el camino entre Fallujah y N.York,el vehículo cargado de mi vida se detuvo."

Segun mi entender, Irving se declara culpable de haber declarado la negación del holocauto, lo que en caso afirmativo quiere decir algo parecido o idéntico al juicio de Galileo que tuvo que negar su tesis. Lo que digan los leguleyos no tiene ningún valor, esto me recuerda a la inquisición religiosa. No se puede tener libertad de expresión en presencia de estas dos religiones: la musulmana i la hebrea.
David Irving wasn't that brave after all, he,he,he,he,he,he,,,, good!!! Good ... Fallujah y N.York,el vehículo cargado de mi vida se detuvo."

Segun mi entender, Irving se declara culpable de haber declarado la negación del holocauto, lo que en caso afirmativo quiere ... inquisición religiosa. No se puede tener libertad de expresión en presencia de estas dos religiones: la musulmana i la hebrea.

Todo es cuestión de oferta y demanda, lo cual obedece a las preferencias del usurio potencial. En este tema, siempre te queda la oportunidad de hacerte mormón.

Gregg

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(Hebrew)"Hayu leylot ani otam zokheret,ani otam ad sof yamay esa.Vemisholim beyn Fallujah le N.York,amda eglot khayay haamusa."
(Catalá)"Hi ha nits que sempre recordaré, que dec dur amb mi mentre viva.En el camí entre Fallujah i N.York, el vehicle carregat de la meva vida es va detenir."

(Castellá)"Hay noches que siempre recordaré, que quiero llevar conmigo mientras viva.En el camino entre Fallujah y N.York,el vehículo cargado de mi vida se detuvo."
"The Nazis did murder millions of Jews," said Irving,

Pobre nazichuck... ya ni sobre Irving puede contar.
Saludos
Mario "el franchute"
Segun mi entender, Irving se declara culpable de haber declarado ... presencia de estas dos religiones: la musulmana i la hebrea.

No es la religi=F3n hebrea la que prohibe negar el holocausto. M=E1s all=E1 de lo que pensemos de esas leyes ... de culpa puede lllevar a los hombres - y en este c=aso a las naciones - a los mayores desatinos.

Hay aqu=ED algo que debe ser considerado. Irving sab=EDa, desde hace tiempo, que el negar el holocausto en Austria era ilegal. As=ED como es ilegal fumarse un porro en Estados Unidos, inyectarse hero=EDna en Canad=E1, ejercer la prostituci=F3n en Gran Breta=F1a, mostrar a la Virgen Mar=EDa dandole una mamada a Jos=E9 el carpintero, o dibujar al profeta Mahoma siendo sodomizado por un camello en Arabia Saudita. Irving fue a Austria con la intenci=F3n de desafiar esa ley, y desafiar a las autoridades austr=EDacas a que lo pusieran preso.
M=E1s all=E1 de lo que uno opine de ciertas leyes, ellas est=E1n para ser cumplidas. Y si uno cree que estan mal, uno puede y debe organizarse politicamente para cambiar esas leyes. Incluso, si uno cree que esas leyes estan contra la libertad, uno puede, y debe estar dispuesto a desafiarlas y a ir a la c=E1rcel por ello. Estese=F1or contaba con que la opini=F3n p=FAblica mundial le iba a tener l=E1stima, pero se equivoc=F3. Y al final, =E9l afloj=F3.
Yo tengo mucho respeto por la gente que est=E1 dispuesta a sufrir c=E1rcel y persecuciones por sus ideas. Pero la gente que desaf=EDa una ley no con la idea de mostrar lo inmoral de la ley, sino con la idea de parecer v=EDctimas de persecuciones no merecen mucho respeto.

Saludos,
VV
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
"Si no creemos en la libertad de expresión para la gente que despreciamos, no creemos en ella para nada."
Noam Chomsky
Enough said. En Austria no hay libertad de expresión.

Dick
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