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Re: Spanish pronouns!

Isabel — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:03:30 GMT

Anonymous
YES THAT IS TRUE IN LATINAMERICA WE DO NOT USE VOSOTROS JUST IN SPAIN AND SOMETIMES IN ARGENTINA.

Excuse me Anonymous, but this is not true.
In Latinamerica we all learn also the vosotros forms, though we never use them (only the priests in church or teachers, sometimes!). We know that this is used in Spain; the language wouldn't be complete without it, especially if we know or learn some other language which has it, p.eg. french, italian, german ...
The form used in Argentina and in some other countries is vos and is not a substitute for vosotros but for tÃº. It is true that the verb forms used with vos are slightly different from the ones used with tÃº, but not identical with the vosotros.
So anyone learning spanish must learn also the vosotros, in my humble opinion, because else the laguage would be missing something very much alive and used. As if you would recommend someone learning english to say and write: i go, u go, he go (sic), just because there are people doing this.
Por favor, no se tomen a mal mis comentarios.
Saludos
Isabel

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:16:36 GMT

YES THAT IS TRUE IN LATINAMERICA WE DO NOT USE VOSOTROS JUST IN SPAIN AND SOMETIMES IN ARGENTINA.

Re: Spanish pronouns - Vosotros

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:16:04 GMT

In Argentina is so common to use vosotros but they say "vos" and the verb is just like for this pronoun.

Re: Resposta: Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:51:25 GMT

Well, let me see if I can make this clear and not confuse you.
Tú, Usted, Vosotros, Vosotras, and Ustedes all mean You/You all.
They are all second person subject pronouns.
Tú and Usted are singular.
Vosotros, Vosotras, and Ustedes are plural.
Tú, Vosotros, and Vosotras are informal.
Usted and Ustedes are formal.

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:39:35 GMT

This is pretty true. It is a shame though, that at your university they are not teaching it to you. If you ever decided to go to Spain to study you would wish that they had taught it to you. If you´re pretty fluent you´ll likely understand either way but it will take a moment to get used to it.

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Pucca — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:26:28 GMT

Joliee

Hi the personal pronouns in spanish are:

Yo                  I

Tu                  YOU

El / Ella            HE / SHE

Nosotros         We

Ustedes         YOU

Ellos / Ellas      THEY

In Spain "Ustedes" is not used, we use "vosotros/vosotras" instead. However, if you are meeting a person "superior" to you, you should refer to him/her as "usted" :).

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Joliee — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:05:01 GMT

Hi the personal pronouns in spanish are:

Yo I

Tu YOU

El / Ella HE / SHE

Nosotros We

Ustedes YOU

Ellos / Ellas THEY

Re: Resposta: Re: Spanish pronouns!

Sadie Rae — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:11:20 GMT

you are correct about "tâu" and usted. Usted is the formal you. We don't have a formal form of you in english. But you can use usted and tâu for the same person. But the conjugations change depending on which word you use.

I guess that "vosotros" and ustedes would work for each other. Because vosotros is basically "all of you" and ustedes is the plural of "you". But remember that conjugations change depending on which form you use!

So haber would be:

Yo - he (CORRECT)

T'u - has (CORRECT)

Ã©l (masc.), ella (fem.), usted - ha

nosotros - hemos (CORRECT)

vosotros (apparently old fashioned ;0) ) - habÃ©is (CORRECT)

ellos, ellas, ustedes - han

you are on the right track!! awesome job!

bein!

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:34:42 GMT

Mariabella

Is it correct that 'vosotros' is no longer used in many Spanish speaking countries? At the University where I study Spanish (in the U.S.) we are no longer taught "vosotros." My professors say that in Mexico it is never used. True??

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:11:06 GMT

True. I live in Mexico (being Dutch). Vosotros doesnÃ exist hee, it is Ustedes. Also used informally.

Lex

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:04:25 GMT

Matress

May someone write down the personal pronouns in Spanish?

Portuguese          English               Spanish

Eu                          I                       Yo

Tu                    You (informal)          TÃº

                        You (formal)         Usted

Ele                        He                      El

Ela                        She                    Ella

NÃ³s                      We             Nosotros / Nosotras

VÃ³s                      You          Vosotros / Vosotras

                            You                 Ustedes

Eles/Elas               They              Ellos / Ellas

In English there is (IT) a pronoun neutro. We don't have it in Portuguese.

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Klavier — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:35:16 GMT

Hi Bushra, bienvenida.
This could be a good start point:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetics/spanish/frameset.html

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Bushra — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:07:26 GMT

how can i learn the pronounciation? can u help me in this

Re: Spanish pronouns!

MIkel Aingeru — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:36:14 GMT

Pronombres personales tÃ³nicos

1 Se usan estos pronombres personales tras una preposiciÃ³n que no sea con.

Pronombres personales

de sujeto tÃ³nicos tÃ³nicos reflexivos

Yo MÃ MÃ (mismo, -a)

TÃº Ti Ti (mismo, -a)

Ãl Ãl SÃ (mismo)

Ella Ella SÃ (misma)

Ello Ello SÃ (mismo)

Usted Usted SÃ (mismo, -a)

Uno SÃ (mismo)

Nosotros Nosotros Nosotros (mismos)

Nosotras Nosotras Nosotras (mismas)

Vosotros Vosotros Vosotros (mismos)

Vosotras Vosotras Vosotras (mismas)

Ustedes Ustedes SÃ (mismos)

Ellos Ellos SÃ (mismos)

Ellas Ellas SÃ (mismas)

Unos SÃ (mismo)

Si el pronombre de sujeto y el pronombre tÃ³nico se refieren a distintas personas, se usa: mÃ, ti, Ã©l, ella, ello, usted, nosotros, nosotras, vosotros, vosotras, ellos y ellas.

(Ellos) hablan sobre mÃ.
(Yo) no lo hubiera podido hacer sin ti.
(Yo) estoy enamorada de Ã©l.
(TÃº) no la has ayudado a ella.
(Yo) no quiero hablar sobre ello.
(Yo) brindo por usted.
(Ellos) hablan de nosotras.
(Ella) se ha copiado de vosotras.
(Yo) confÃo en ustedes.
(Yo) no me fÃo de ellos.
Esto es para ellas.

Si el pronombre de sujeto y el pronombre tÃ³nico se refieren a la misma persona se usa: mÃ, ti, sÃ, nosotros, nosotras, vosotros y vosotras, seguidos o no de mismo, misma, mismos o mismas, que sirven para enfatizar.

(Yo) nunca hablo sobre mÃ.
(TÃº) no puedes valerte por ti mismo, necesitas ayuda.
(Ãl) no estÃ¡ seguro de sÃ mismo.
(Ella) sÃ³lo se ayuda a sÃ misma.
(Usted) se acusÃ³ a sÃ mismo.
Cada uno piensa en sÃ mismo.
(Nosotros) nunca pensamos en nosotros mismos.
Escribid sobre vosotros mismos.
(Ellos) se odian a sÃ mismos.
Algunos creen en sÃ mismos.

2 Cuando la preposiciÃ³n es con, se usan estos pronombres:

Pronombres personales

de sujeto tÃ³nicos tÃ³nicos reflexivos

Yo Conmigo Conmigo (mismo, -a)

TÃº Contigo Contigo (mismo, -a)

Ãl Con Ã©l Consigo (mismo)

Ella Con ella Consigo (mismo)

Usted Con usted Consigo (mismo, -a)

Nosotros Con nosotros Con nosotros (mismos)

Nosotras Con nosotras Con nosotras (mismas)

Vosotros Con vosotros Con vosotros (mismos)

Vosotras Con vosotras Con vosotras (mismas)

Ustedes Con ustedes Consigo (mismos, -as)

Ellos Con ellos Consigo (mismos)

Ellas Con ellas Consigo (mismas)

Si el pronombre de sujeto y el pronombre tÃ³nico se refieren a distintas personas, se usa: conmigo, contigo, con Ã©l, con ella, con usted, con nosotros, con nosotras, con vosotros, con vosotras, con ustedes, con ellos y con ellas.

Ven conmigo.
(Yo) estoy enfadado contigo.
(Yo) me he encontrado con Ã©l.
He sido un poco severo con usted.
Nadie quiere bailar con nosotros.
(Yo) no estoy de acuerdo con vosotras.

Si el pronombre de sujeto y el pronombre tÃ³nico se refieren a la misma persona, se usa: conmigo, contigo, consigo, con nosotros, con nosotras, con vosotros y con vosotras. Es mÃ¡s frecuente el caso anterior.

Ãl lleva la llave de la caja fuerte consigo.
(Ella) estÃ¡ enfadada consigo misma.

3 Tras una preposiciÃ³n puede escucharse o leerse un pronombre posesivo del grupo A, sobre todo en el registro popular. Es preferible utilizar los pronombres personales tÃ³nicos.

Susana va delante mÃa. (pop.)
Susana va delante de mÃ.

Re: Spanish pronouns!

Klavier — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:25:51 GMT

Soy Autodidacto
QuiÃºbole
Does anyone know where I can find a list of hundreds of personal pronouns in English and Spanish that I can use to drill myself (hacer practicas/ejercicios)?

QuiÃºbole Autodidacto.
First of all, there aren't hundreds of personal pronouns in Spanish nor in English. I think you may have trouble understanding which verbs go with which pronouns. So, focus more on the verbs than the pronouns.
Did I get well your question?

Pronombres personales
de sujeto	tÃ³nicos	tÃ³nicos reflexivos
Yo	MÃ	MÃ (mismo, -a)
TÃº	Ti	Ti (mismo, -a)
Ãl	Ãl	SÃ (mismo)
Ella	Ella	SÃ (misma)
Ello	Ello	SÃ (mismo)
Usted	Usted	SÃ (mismo, -a)
Uno		SÃ (mismo)

Nosotros	Nosotros	Nosotros (mismos)
Nosotras	Nosotras	Nosotras (mismas)
Vosotros	Vosotros	Vosotros (mismos)
Vosotras	Vosotras	Vosotras (mismas)
Ustedes	Ustedes	SÃ (mismos)
Ellos	Ellos	SÃ (mismos)
Ellas	Ellas	SÃ (mismas)
Unos		SÃ (mismo)