[nq:1]My native language isn't either., [nq:1]In fact, We Spaniards think, [nq:1]Ohh, really?.

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David Eduardo:

[nq:1]Ohh, really?. So then We shall call all English Speakers as "Anglos". For example, Anglos are: English, Irish, Jamaicans, NIgerians, ... the border are as """Hispanic""", "Spanish", "Spaniard" as a Nigerian is an "Anglo","English", "British". Are you able to understand that?.[/nq]
"Hispanic" is the term redefined by the US government to describe persons of all races and nationalities who have a cultural heritage descending from the Spanish language. If you don't want to agree, try the definition on the US Census Bureau website. It is correct usage in North America.

Most people in Latin America would love to forget the delightful criminals from Spain called the Conquistadores. Have a little torture with your breakfast, señor?

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]My native language isn't either. Neither is that of my neighbor. Nor hers. Nor theirs. Few spaniards reside in this town. Plenty of intelligent Vietnamese. Lots of smart French. Some Italians. Tons of Chinese. Filipinos. Even Russians.[/nq]
None of them have powerful government lobbies or special interest groups insisting on ballots written in their languages, though.
[nq:1]Yet, there it is. Another insult that I PAID FOR![/nq]
Well, vote for someone who will do away with it. That's what the ballot is for, after all.
[nq:1]I just do not understand why this undue American obsession with the spanish language?[/nq]
It's political correctness, combined with the lobbying of groups that have a vested interest in creating a Spanish-only captive underclass.
[nq:1]Now, if the spanish wish to talk in their tongue to their neighbors, let 'em. But, when I AM PAYING FOR the ballot, I ask, why spanish? Why not Chinese? Why not French? Why not Italian? Why not German?. Why only spanish?[/nq]
Only the SIGs and PACs favoring Spanish have the clout to force such policies.
[nq:1]The number of asians, for example, in my community so vastly outweigh the spanish that they dwarf the european community.[/nq]
Asians tend to adapt very readily to host countries when they emigrate, and in particular they don't hesitate to learn new languages. They are highly intelligent as well, in most cases. All of this combines to make them successful. And they desire to assimilate. This desire plus the desire to succeed motivate them to set aside their original languages in favor of the language of their host country. The demographics of their success proves the soundness of this policy.
[nq:1]Yet they don't require "Press 1 for Asian" on every telephone call I make to a government agency. They score ... instead of standing around the Home Depot (yes, I do know why those guys are there at the pickup entrances).[/nq]
See above. All of these phenomena are related.
[nq:1]The writing as clear as day. The spanish are somehow different than the asians, the blacks, the caucasians, the natives, the polynesians, etc.[/nq]
They have representatives working hard to profit from their unwillingness to assimilate in order to create a captive underclass that can function only in Spanish. This underclass will then be under the control of these representatives, since they cannot function in the mainstream. That's the real purpose, although the Spanish-speaking people victimized by it don't realize this.
[nq:1]No other culture apparently requires me to constantly & continually pay for their cultural laziness & stupididy.[/nq]
A lot of Latin cultures are this way. Asian cultures tend to be just the opposite, as they value assimilation and group harmony. Latin cultures are macho cultures, and machismo is the enemy of progress and enlightenment, unfortunately.

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]In fact, We Spaniards think exactly the same about the so called """Hispanics""". We don´t like them either. They have nothing to do with us Spaniards except for the language.[/nq]
Hispanic technically means from Spain or Portugal. I don't think any Americans realize this, however.

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]Ohh, really?. So then We shall call all English Speakers as "Anglos". For example, Anglos are: English, Irish, Jamaicans, NIgerians, ... an Englishman will be happy to consider that the Jamaicans and Hindus are "Anglos", "Britihs", or even!!! "English" as them.[/nq]
Americans have many strange appellations. They call people with very dark skin "African-American," even though they've been U.S. natives for many generations; and they deny this term to people who come from Africa to the United States, if their skin is light in color. They don't call native Americans "native Americans," instead reserving that term for aboriginal Americans. They exclude Canadians and Mexicans and Brazilians from the term "American," even though all of these live in the Americas. They call Mexicans "Hispanics," even though they come from Mexico and not Spain or Portugal, whereas people from Spain or Portugal are more likely to be referred to as "Anglos," at least once their nationalities are known.
It's all very strange. You've got to be carefully taught.
[nq:1]Saying: "We don´t like those people is not racist". They don´t like us either and it is not considered racist. Why is that Mr. hipocrite??.[/nq]
Only white anglo-saxon Protestant males can be racist, under U.S. rules. People of other ethnicities can say anything they want.

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]By the way, what's the easy one-word adjectival form for people who speak Spanish?[/nq]
Hispanophone
[nq:1]They speak Spanish. Can you understand that? That makes them "Hispanic" by definition.[/nq]
Whose definition? Hispanic means from Spain or Portugal, those being the only two countries the ancient Romans referred to with the term.

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]Most people in Latin America would love to forget the delightful criminals from Spain called the Conquistadores.[/nq]
Then why do so many of them speak Spanish?

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CyberCypher:

Mxsmanic wrote on 13 Oct 2004:
[nq:2]By the way, what's the easy one-word adjectival form for people who speak Spanish?[/nq]
[nq:1]Hispanophone[/nq]
Thank you. A useful term.
[nq:2]They speak Spanish. Can you understand that? That makes them "Hispanic" by definition.[/nq]
[nq:1]Whose definition?[/nq]
US government definition. That's the current standard usage in the USA today.
[nq:1]Hispanic means from Spain or Portugal,[/nq]
That's the etymology, yes, but not the current meaning in the USA. We don't care how the originators of the term used it, unless we're translating ancient texts.
[nq:1]those being the only two countries the ancient Romans referred to with the term.[/nq]
We are not in ancient Rome anymore and I never was.

Here's what MW11 has to say about the term:
Main Entry: His£pan£ic
Pronunciation: hi-*spa-nik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain Date: circa 1889
of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the United States; especially: one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
Hispanic noun

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CyberCypher:

Recent unpleasant remarks about Spanish-speakers and the contemporary American-English usage of the word "Hispanic" have raised an issue that seems to me to require a bit of discussion here.

While we may not like to hear language or opinions that hurt our feelings or push our righteous-indignation buttons, attempts to censor what people say in an international open forum don't seem justified, regardless of what the PC laws tell us we may and may not legally say in a public medium like Usenet.
People like (Email Removed) (Orak Listalavostok) and (Email Removed) (Spaniard) are no less entitled to have and express their opinions as the rest of us who may disagree with them. If readers of these newsgroups don't like what they have to say, they can always killfile the offenders or ignore their posts.

Good is, theoretically, supposed to defeat evil by dint of its obvious rightness and goodness, not because it has advocates with the loudest voices, the most guns, or the political power to silence dissent. Some people with unpleasant, unpopular, and politically incorrect opinions have eventually been proved correct; most, however, have been and still are merely demagogues playing to the unthinking masses for a variety of reasons.
I don't see much of a difference in the degree of perniciousness exhibited by vocal racists and bigots, on the one hand, and the equally vocal censorious self-righteously indignant, on the other. They both want to quash their ideological enemies and they both want to justify their tyrannical goals by claiming that they have the truth and know better than the other side. Such ravings and rantings are understandable from people who don't bother thinking about what they say or how they say it, but when it comes from people who invoke the PC trump-card, it is really indefensible.PC, after all, is supposed to be all-inclusive, supposed to value diversity, and supposed to be the champion of human rights, human dignity, and respect for all human beings. The problem with people who support PC even if they call it simple courtesy and good manners instead of PC is that they are as discriminatory as the people they decry. They refuse to include anyone who has dissenting opinions and feelings, they denigrate those who dissent from their own standards of goodness and morality, they attempt to deny the right of freedom of expression to people whose opinions and words they abhor, and they want "diversity" only within what they consider to be acceptable limits.

In other words, they are truly hypocrites. And they are no better than the contemporary religiopolitical terrorist-fanatics who scream about killing those who insult their "religion". At least these fanatics do not try to hide their desire to permanently eliminate their enemies: their perhaps foolish frankness is as refreshing as it is frightening.

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Mxsmanic:

[nq:1]US government definition. That's the current standard usage in the USA today.[/nq]
What qualifies the U.S. government to define words? And why do you seem to equate U.S. government policy with standard usage?
[nq:1]We are not in ancient Rome anymore and I never was.[/nq]
It was more advanced than one might think but I don't miss it.

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